I started to practice law in the mid ’70s I guess that dates me and prior to that, I was working for an insurance company as an insurance adjustor. And I met a lot of lawyers and I admired the work they were doing for their clients and I thought that that’s something that I would like to do. So I went to law school and became a lawyer and started practicing in 1976 with my partner, Mark Swor, at another law firm. And he and I discovered we had a lot of things in common. We had common background kind of a blue-collar bag. He’s from the iron range; I’m from the east side of St. Paul. And things fit and clicked and we’ve been practicing together ever since until he had to retire for health reasons. And I still see him regularly and I still rely upon him for his opinions and his particular insights on cases.