I went to the University of Toledo Law School then graduated there and moved on and got a masters in taxation at New York University. I would be considered a tax lawyer by education I felt that gave me the mobility to go where I wanted to go. And it did, I interviewed in Phoenix, interviewed in San Diego and San Francisco and I felt most comfortable in Phoenix and in 1978 I joined the law firm of O’Conner, Cavanagh and was with them about 21 years. I moved on to Quarles and Brady for a couple years until 2001 when I established my own law firm and I’ve been on my own with my own law firm since 2001.