Oh, I think Westmoreland. I think Westmoreland. As they say, he was a very sympathetic witness, a very admirable person in many respects, somebody who I think the jury instinctively recognized as an American patriot. And the necessity was not to extract a admission of some substance, it was to make the just believe that this was a liar. That this was someone who had misled the American people.

So, not only was he an extremely difficult person to cross-examine generally, but he was extraordinarily difficult person given his character and appearance to make the jury believe that this person would have lied to the American people.